Comments on: Muslim Beheading Not News, But Church Killing Is http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/ Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:45:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: MaryLouise http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2374 MaryLouise Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:48:41 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2374 Dear Laer, Thanks for a great site. This was my first time finding your web site and I was glad to see how much you have posted about this issue of the media ignoring the honor Killian in New York until they got embarrassed about it...it did show up on Yahoo about a week after her death. I guess they sent the news by camel or pony express, that is understandable. It was a well written AP article bringing out the ironies...but alas, I feel, not the deep controversies. MaryLouise<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2374','MaryLouise'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2374','MaryLouise','Dear Laer,\r\nThanks for a great site.\r\nThis was my first time finding your web site and I was glad to see how much you have posted about this issue of the media ignoring the honor Killian in New York until they got embarrassed about it...it did show up on Yahoo about a week after her death. I guess they sent the news by camel or pony express, that is understandable. It was a well written AP article bringing out the ironies...but alas, I feel, not the deep controversies.\r\nMaryLouise'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dear Laer,
Thanks for a great site.
This was my first time finding your web site and I was glad to see how much you have posted about this issue of the media ignoring the honor Killian in New York until they got embarrassed about it…it did show up on Yahoo about a week after her death. I guess they sent the news by camel or pony express, that is understandable. It was a well written AP article bringing out the ironies…but alas, I feel, not the deep controversies.
MaryLouise
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]]> By: MaryLouise http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2373 MaryLouise Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:10:03 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2373 Please make a very big deal of this!It is not a crime of passion - because I very much doubt she was with another man! I doubt very much she was cheating on him.   This was an honor killing. Why pretend it is not? As a woman I am VERY concerned about such equivocation.   Normally I do not follow  NOW but I was very glad that they came out against this and called a spade a spade. We do not want honor killings to catch on in the US.  If Muslims want to live here. Fine - but on OUR terms. Freedom for the individual. LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS. That is excatly why she left her husband and she got her head lopped off!   The poor woman who was killed, <strong>Aasiya Z. Hassan, </strong>used to wear a habib - but a few years ago she started to waer western clothes. I belive that gradually her mind was opened by freedom, and she wanted her own life to be free of this man. In Islam - that is not allowed. A man can divorce a woman but a woman cannot divorce a man.   If we are going to be "fairminded" to Muslims - let us be fairminded FIRST to Muslim women, and only then to the men. The women are the ones who need your compassion. Be  "knee jerk " concerned for her rights, first. Please look at this story from her point of view.   It was a Muslim woman who first blew the whistle on this - and she said we need to wake up. Come out of the haze. This was an honor killing. It is premeditated and it should be classifed as FIRST degree murder.  He was charged with second degree murder, and that buys into this "crime of passion apology" or "domestic violence" delusion. So I am deeply concerend that already our US courst have drunk the Kool Aid on this.   These crimes are meant to send a message to other Muslim women;  and the killer is normally congratulated by his peers for doing what a man needs to do. There is an infinity of barbarism in this tradition of honor killing. It is sick.   Thanks for listening, and thank you for those who have expressed outrage. This story is an out rage even if they did not run a TV station trying to teach us that Islam is a religion of peace.   Yahoo news prints every major story for any old drunk who does something horrible to his wife or girlfriend, but they didn't print anything about this until a few days after her funeral. They will normally print anything weird tht increases readership., but not this...So - I am convinced that people are much too concerned about offending the Muslims. Well, I say, let's be concerned about those who make it a virtue to KILL the WOMEN. Let's be firmly opposed to honor killing. Let's get our priorities straight.                    <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2373','MaryLouise'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2373','MaryLouise','Please make a very big deal of this!It is not a crime of passion - because I very much doubt she was with another man! I doubt very much she was cheating on him.\r\n \r\nThis was an honor killing. Why pretend it is not? As a woman I am VERY concerned about such equivocation.\r\n \r\nNormally I do not follow  NOW but I was very glad that they came out against this and called a spade a spade. We do not want honor killings to catch on in the US.  If Muslims want to live here. Fine - but on OUR terms. Freedom for the individual. LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS. That is excatly why she left her husband and she got her head lopped off!\r\n \r\nThe poor woman who was killed, <strong>Aasiya Z. Hassan, <\/strong>used to wear a habib - but a few years ago she started to waer western clothes. I belive that gradually her mind was opened by freedom, and she wanted her own life to be free of this man. In Islam - that is not allowed. A man can divorce a woman but a woman cannot divorce a man.\r\n \r\nIf we are going to be \"fairminded\" to Muslims - let us be fairminded FIRST to Muslim women, and only then to the men. The women are the ones who need your compassion. Be  \"knee jerk \" concerned for her rights, first. Please look at this story from her point of view.\r\n \r\nIt was a Muslim woman who first blew the whistle on this - and she said we need to wake up. Come out of the haze. This was an honor killing. It is premeditated and it should be classifed as FIRST degree murder.  He was charged with second degree murder, and that buys into this \"crime of passion apology\" or \"domestic violence\" delusion. So I am deeply concerend that already our US courst have drunk the Kool Aid on this.\r\n \r\nThese crimes are meant to send a message to other Muslim women;  and the killer is normally congratulated by his peers for doing what a man needs to do. There is an infinity of barbarism in this tradition of honor killing. It is sick.\r\n \r\nThanks for listening, and thank you for those who have expressed outrage. This story is an out rage even if they did not run a TV station trying to teach us that Islam is a religion of peace.\r\n \r\nYahoo news prints every major story for any old drunk who does something horrible to his wife or girlfriend, but they didn\'t print anything about this until a few days after her funeral. They will normally print anything weird tht increases readership., but not this...So - I am convinced that people are much too concerned about offending the Muslims. Well, I say, let\'s be concerned about those who make it a virtue to KILL the WOMEN. Let\'s be firmly opposed to honor killing. Let\'s get our priorities straight.\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n '); return false;">Quote</a></div><div id='wpcr_tags'>Comment Tags: <a href='/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/feed/comment-tag/honor-killing'>honor killing</a>, <a href='/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/feed/comment-tag/islam'>Islam</a></div> Please make a very big deal of this!It is not a crime of passion - because I very much doubt she was with another man! I doubt very much she was cheating on him.
 
This was an honor killing. Why pretend it is not? As a woman I am VERY concerned about such equivocation.
 
Normally I do not follow  NOW but I was very glad that they came out against this and called a spade a spade. We do not want honor killings to catch on in the US.  If Muslims want to live here. Fine - but on OUR terms. Freedom for the individual. LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS. That is excatly why she left her husband and she got her head lopped off!
 
The poor woman who was killed, Aasiya Z. Hassan, used to wear a habib - but a few years ago she started to waer western clothes. I belive that gradually her mind was opened by freedom, and she wanted her own life to be free of this man. In Islam - that is not allowed. A man can divorce a woman but a woman cannot divorce a man.
 
If we are going to be “fairminded” to Muslims - let us be fairminded FIRST to Muslim women, and only then to the men. The women are the ones who need your compassion. Be  “knee jerk ” concerned for her rights, first. Please look at this story from her point of view.
 
It was a Muslim woman who first blew the whistle on this - and she said we need to wake up. Come out of the haze. This was an honor killing. It is premeditated and it should be classifed as FIRST degree murder.  He was charged with second degree murder, and that buys into this “crime of passion apology” or “domestic violence” delusion. So I am deeply concerend that already our US courst have drunk the Kool Aid on this.
 
These crimes are meant to send a message to other Muslim women;  and the killer is normally congratulated by his peers for doing what a man needs to do. There is an infinity of barbarism in this tradition of honor killing. It is sick.
 
Thanks for listening, and thank you for those who have expressed outrage. This story is an out rage even if they did not run a TV station trying to teach us that Islam is a religion of peace.
 
Yahoo news prints every major story for any old drunk who does something horrible to his wife or girlfriend, but they didn’t print anything about this until a few days after her funeral. They will normally print anything weird tht increases readership., but not this…So - I am convinced that people are much too concerned about offending the Muslims. Well, I say, let’s be concerned about those who make it a virtue to KILL the WOMEN. Let’s be firmly opposed to honor killing. Let’s get our priorities straight.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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]]> By: Ymarsakar http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2370 Ymarsakar Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:19:29 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2370 <B>As a liberal, I’d like to attend church without the risk of being shot by a Michael Savage listener. </b> You have not yet answered why so few people died at that Church. Are you so biased and supportive of your mass murdering allies that you will not even address this minor issue?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2370','Ymarsakar'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2370','Ymarsakar','&lt;B&gt;As a liberal, I’d like to attend church without the risk of being shot by a Michael Savage listener. &lt;\/b&gt;\r\nYou have not yet answered why so few people died at that Church. Are you so biased and supportive of your mass murdering allies that you will not even address this minor issue?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> <B>As a liberal, I’d like to attend church without the risk of being shot by a Michael Savage listener. </b>
You have not yet answered why so few people died at that Church. Are you so biased and supportive of your mass murdering allies that you will not even address this minor issue?
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]]> By: Laer http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2341 Laer Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:59:35 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2341 <p>It may have been a crime of passion, but it was acted out in a very Islamic way - they are the ONLY people going around beheading people in this day and age!  See my earlier post, which I just updated, for the radical views espoused by Bridges TV.  Of course, you'll see those views as moderate ...</p> <p>You point to one incident in TN and find yourself at risk of being shot at church?  Puh-leeze!  Who's the fearmonger now?</p> <p>And no, I definitely don't want to see honor killings to be brought to our country ... but <a href="../../../../2008/01/06/this-was-an-honor-killing/" rel="nofollow">they are already here</a>.</p><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2341','Laer'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2341','Laer','<p>It may have been a crime of passion, but it was acted out in a very Islamic way - they are the ONLY people going around beheading people in this day and age!  See my earlier post, which I just updated, for the radical views espoused by Bridges TV.  Of course, you\'ll see those views as moderate ...<\/p>\r\n<p>You point to one incident in TN and find yourself at risk of being shot at church?  Puh-leeze!  Who\'s the fearmonger now?<\/p>\r\n<p>And no, I definitely don\'t want to see honor killings to be brought to our country ... but <a href=\"..\/..\/..\/..\/2008\/01\/06\/this-was-an-honor-killing\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">they are already here<\/a>.<\/p>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It may have been a crime of passion, but it was acted out in a very Islamic way - they are the ONLY people going around beheading people in this day and age!  See my earlier post, which I just updated, for the radical views espoused by Bridges TV.  Of course, you’ll see those views as moderate …

You point to one incident in TN and find yourself at risk of being shot at church?  Puh-leeze!  Who’s the fearmonger now?

And no, I definitely don’t want to see honor killings to be brought to our country … but they are already here.

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]]> By: Dan Chmielewski http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2340 Dan Chmielewski Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:34:15 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2340 Honor killing references are all over the blogs, but only in one local news story and via the Fox News link (sorry, I meant Faux News) and its a quote attributed to the NOW chapter president.  <a href="http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html?imw=Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html?imw=Y</a>There is nothing to suggest the husband held radical Muslim beliefs here and this is more than likely a crime of passion as so many domestic violence cases are.My lawyer is Muslim; girls on my daughter's soccer team and on my basketball team are Muslim too.  You don't want Muslims to bring honor killings to our country?  As a liberal, I'd like to attend church without the risk of being shot by a Michael Savage listener. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2340','Dan Chmielewski'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2340','Dan Chmielewski','Honor killing references are all over the blogs, but only in one local news story and via the Fox News link (sorry, I meant Faux News) and its a quote attributed to the NOW chapter president.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.buffalonews.com\/home\/story\/581540.html?imw=Y\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.buffalonews.com\/home\/story\/581540.html?imw=Y<\/a>There is nothing to suggest the husband held radical Muslim beliefs here and this is more than likely a crime of passion as so many domestic violence cases are.My lawyer is Muslim; girls on my daughter\'s soccer team and on my basketball team are Muslim too.  You don\'t want Muslims to bring honor killings to our country?  As a liberal, I\'d like to attend church without the risk of being shot by a Michael Savage listener. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Honor killing references are all over the blogs, but only in one local news story and via the Fox News link (sorry, I meant Faux News) and its a quote attributed to the NOW chapter president.  http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html?imw=YThere is nothing to suggest the husband held radical Muslim beliefs here and this is more than likely a crime of passion as so many domestic violence cases are.My lawyer is Muslim; girls on my daughter’s soccer team and on my basketball team are Muslim too.  You don’t want Muslims to bring honor killings to our country?  As a liberal, I’d like to attend church without the risk of being shot by a Michael Savage listener. 
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]]> By: Laer http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2339 Laer Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:38:33 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2339 <p>Dan, you're missing something here in your rush to be an apologist for Muslims.</p> <p>"Honor" killings are a heinous part of Islam that we do not want Muslims to bring to our country. Even the largely apologist MSM have covered these killings with all the shock and horror they deserve - but when a spokesman for the "good Muslims" kills his wife in what might be just plain old cut-out-her-pictures rage, but may also be an "honor" killing, that very question makes it newsworthy.  Is it one?  Is it not?  How many are occurring in the US?  I want to know.</p> <p>Were I a down-state NYT editor, I wouldn't have run your story either; it's run of the mill spousal murder. A beheading and possible "honor" killing by a spokesman for good Muslims is not run of the mill.</p><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2339','Laer'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2339','Laer','<p>Dan, you\'re missing something here in your rush to be an apologist for Muslims.<\/p>\r\n<p>\"Honor\" killings are a heinous part of Islam that we do not want Muslims to bring to our country. Even the largely apologist MSM have covered these killings with all the shock and horror they deserve - but when a spokesman for the \"good Muslims\" kills his wife in what might be just plain old cut-out-her-pictures rage, but may also be an \"honor\" killing, that very question makes it newsworthy.  Is it one?  Is it not?  How many are occurring in the US?  I want to know.<\/p>\r\n<p>Were I a down-state NYT editor, I wouldn\'t have run your story either; it\'s run of the mill spousal murder. A beheading and possible \"honor\" killing by a spokesman for good Muslims is not run of the mill.<\/p>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dan, you’re missing something here in your rush to be an apologist for Muslims.

“Honor” killings are a heinous part of Islam that we do not want Muslims to bring to our country. Even the largely apologist MSM have covered these killings with all the shock and horror they deserve - but when a spokesman for the “good Muslims” kills his wife in what might be just plain old cut-out-her-pictures rage, but may also be an “honor” killing, that very question makes it newsworthy.  Is it one?  Is it not?  How many are occurring in the US?  I want to know.

Were I a down-state NYT editor, I wouldn’t have run your story either; it’s run of the mill spousal murder. A beheading and possible “honor” killing by a spokesman for good Muslims is not run of the mill.

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]]> By: Okie http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2337 Okie Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:44:08 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2337 <em>That last commenter sounds like an apologist.</em> <blockquote>The case of the Tennessee Church shooter was one of conservative hatred [toward liberals].</blockquote> Obviously! However, the commenter didn't address your point that if it had been the other way round it wouldn't have been news either. The sad fact is that along with hatred toward conservatives: <strong>Dhimmitude is alive and runnin' rampant at the New York Times!</strong><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2337','Okie'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2337','Okie','<em>That last commenter sounds like an apologist.<\/em>\r\n<blockquote>The case of the Tennessee Church shooter was one of conservative hatred &#91;toward liberals&#93;.<\/blockquote>\r\nObviously! However, the commenter didn\'t address your point that if it had been the other way round it wouldn\'t have been news either. The sad fact is that along with hatred toward conservatives:\r\n<strong>Dhimmitude is alive and runnin\' rampant at the New York Times!<\/strong>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> That last commenter sounds like an apologist.

The case of the Tennessee Church shooter was one of conservative hatred [toward liberals].

Obviously! However, the commenter didn’t address your point that if it had been the other way round it wouldn’t have been news either. The sad fact is that along with hatred toward conservatives:
Dhimmitude is alive and runnin’ rampant at the New York Times!

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]]> By: Dan Chmielewski http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2336 Dan Chmielewski Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:01:50 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2336 Throughout upstate NY, men have been known to kill their wives.  I covered a story once where a man shot his estranged wife, and then cut her photo out of every family picture before blowing his brains out in a bowling alley utility shed.  The New York Times did not cover that murder suicide either.The case of the Tennessee Church shooter was one of conservative hatred.  He wrote notes expressing a desire to kill all of the 100 people Bernie Goldberg identified as "ruining America" and he had all the Michal Savage, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter books on display.  He was hunting liberals in a church. He showed no remorse for his crime.  From a straight news standpoint, a man who shoots up a church, kills two people and wounds several others, is a bigger story than a muslim man killing his wife.  Its not a Christian/Muslim issue.  Its a question of news judgement.  And I hate to say it, but I think the New York Times got it right.  Even Fox News covered the Tennessee shooter.Your post seems more about stoking fear about Muslims, than actually holding two people accountable for heinous crimes.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2336','Dan Chmielewski'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2336','Dan Chmielewski','Throughout upstate NY, men have been known to kill their wives.  I covered a story once where a man shot his estranged wife, and then cut her photo out of every family picture before blowing his brains out in a bowling alley utility shed.  The New York Times did not cover that murder suicide either.The case of the Tennessee Church shooter was one of conservative hatred.  He wrote notes expressing a desire to kill all of the 100 people Bernie Goldberg identified as \"ruining America\" and he had all the Michal Savage, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter books on display.  He was hunting liberals in a church. He showed no remorse for his crime.  From a straight news standpoint, a man who shoots up a church, kills two people and wounds several others, is a bigger story than a muslim man killing his wife.  Its not a Christian\/Muslim issue.  Its a question of news judgement.  And I hate to say it, but I think the New York Times got it right.  Even Fox News covered the Tennessee shooter.Your post seems more about stoking fear about Muslims, than actually holding two people accountable for heinous crimes.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Throughout upstate NY, men have been known to kill their wives.  I covered a story once where a man shot his estranged wife, and then cut her photo out of every family picture before blowing his brains out in a bowling alley utility shed.  The New York Times did not cover that murder suicide either.The case of the Tennessee Church shooter was one of conservative hatred.  He wrote notes expressing a desire to kill all of the 100 people Bernie Goldberg identified as “ruining America” and he had all the Michal Savage, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter books on display.  He was hunting liberals in a church. He showed no remorse for his crime.  From a straight news standpoint, a man who shoots up a church, kills two people and wounds several others, is a bigger story than a muslim man killing his wife.  Its not a Christian/Muslim issue.  Its a question of news judgement.  And I hate to say it, but I think the New York Times got it right.  Even Fox News covered the Tennessee shooter.Your post seems more about stoking fear about Muslims, than actually holding two people accountable for heinous crimes.
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]]> By: Patrick http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/#comment-2332 Patrick Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:29:20 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6454#comment-2332 Right you are, friend Laer, and the question is how does the NYT newsroom survive when everyone in it leads such a seemingly blinkered or fearful existence?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2332','Patrick'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2332','Patrick','Right you are, friend Laer, and the question is how does the NYT newsroom survive when everyone in it leads such a seemingly blinkered or fearful existence?'); return false;">Quote</a></div><div id='wpcr_tags'>Comment Tags: <a href='/2009/02/16/muslim-beheading-not-news-but-church-killing-is/feed/comment-tag/media-bias'>Media bias</a></div> Right you are, friend Laer, and the question is how does the NYT newsroom survive when everyone in it leads such a seemingly blinkered or fearful existence?
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