Comments on: Our Crumbling Civilization: Throwing The Baby Out Edition http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/05/our-crumbling-civilization-throwing-the-baby-out-edition/ Wed, 02 Mar 2011 15:16:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Laer http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/05/our-crumbling-civilization-throwing-the-baby-out-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-2265 Laer Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:42:24 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6406#comment-2265 <p>I can provide a bit more info from the portions of the article I didn't quote.  The girl, according to her lawyer, so take it with a grain of salt, was mixed up about yes/no on the abortion, but decided she couldn't handle the finances.  She was given a cervix-expanding drug before the doc was in the clinic, and they had trouble locating him.  Time went by, the cervic kept expanding, and voila!  The doc still had not shown up by then, so the non-medical clinic employee clipped the chord and chucked the baby.</p> <p>My quick check of medical references indicate that the likelihood of survival are pretty good at 23 weeks.</p> I can provide a bit more info from the portions of the article I didn’t quote.  The girl, according to her lawyer, so take it with a grain of salt, was mixed up about yes/no on the abortion, but decided she couldn’t handle the finances.  She was given a cervix-expanding drug before the doc was in the clinic, and they had trouble locating him.  Time went by, the cervic kept expanding, and voila!  The doc still had not shown up by then, so the non-medical clinic employee clipped the chord and chucked the baby.

My quick check of medical references indicate that the likelihood of survival are pretty good at 23 weeks.

]]> By: Alan Kellogg http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/05/our-crumbling-civilization-throwing-the-baby-out-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-2263 Alan Kellogg Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:01:14 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6406#comment-2263 Twenty-three weeks old? That's young. Most infants born at that age die soon after birth. The doctor's actions were quite unnecessary.   The mother's behavior is more understandable. We start with a profoundly immature girl who is taking a profoundly immature action, assuming she was having a healthy child. Then she goes through the process of birth, and during it experiences the usual emotional changes most women go through when they give birth. Well, naturally she changes her mind. Eighteen year olds are not what you'd call rational creatures. The hormones released during labor will change harder cases than what is still a child. The wonder is not that she changed her mind about a person she fully intended to kill, her keeping her intent would've been the wonder.   That said, the fact she gave birth during the prelim to the abortion makes me wonder. Had she started labor before they gave her the medication to dilate her cervix? Was she undergoing a spontaneous abortion or premature birth at the time? If that's the case, it changes the situation drastically. It makes the doctor's actions understandable, even though those actions remain inexcusable.   The news story doesn't provide enough information to answer these questions. Given journalisms' obsession with sensation and shock, I doubt we'll ever get the full account in the media. Why did she seek the abortion? What happened prior to and during the preparation for the procedure? What was going on as she went through labor? How did the doctor and staff at the clinic react to her giving birth? Many questions, few answers. It is tragedy enough a small life was lost that could've been saved had the mother sought treatment at an emergency room, the cruel indifference of another makes it so much worse. Twenty-three weeks old? That’s young. Most infants born at that age die soon after birth. The doctor’s actions were quite unnecessary.
 
The mother’s behavior is more understandable. We start with a profoundly immature girl who is taking a profoundly immature action, assuming she was having a healthy child. Then she goes through the process of birth, and during it experiences the usual emotional changes most women go through when they give birth. Well, naturally she changes her mind. Eighteen year olds are not what you’d call rational creatures. The hormones released during labor will change harder cases than what is still a child. The wonder is not that she changed her mind about a person she fully intended to kill, her keeping her intent would’ve been the wonder.
 
That said, the fact she gave birth during the prelim to the abortion makes me wonder. Had she started labor before they gave her the medication to dilate her cervix? Was she undergoing a spontaneous abortion or premature birth at the time? If that’s the case, it changes the situation drastically. It makes the doctor’s actions understandable, even though those actions remain inexcusable.
 
The news story doesn’t provide enough information to answer these questions. Given journalisms’ obsession with sensation and shock, I doubt we’ll ever get the full account in the media. Why did she seek the abortion? What happened prior to and during the preparation for the procedure? What was going on as she went through labor? How did the doctor and staff at the clinic react to her giving birth? Many questions, few answers. It is tragedy enough a small life was lost that could’ve been saved had the mother sought treatment at an emergency room, the cruel indifference of another makes it so much worse.

]]> By: Christina http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/2009/02/05/our-crumbling-civilization-throwing-the-baby-out-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-2262 Christina Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:31:08 +0000 http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/?p=6406#comment-2262 This just makes me so sad. This just makes me so sad.

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