October 7th 2008
Obama Forgets WWII
“I
f we could have intervened in the holocaust, who among us wouldn’t do it?” Obama just said. Did he forget that we fought World War II, defeated Germany and liberated the concentration camps at a cost of thousands of our men?
The man is dangerously clueless.
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October 8th, 2008 at 7:29 am
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October 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Yeah, that one left me scratching my head, too. Just imagine if Sarah Palin had said that…
October 7th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
He forgot his uncle’s story too, the man who liberated Auschwitz.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
LOL funny!
October 8th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Jeebus, can’t you guys understand that he was talking about intervening at the BEGINNING of the Holocaust…not after 6 million Jews had already been murdered. Few Americans had any clue what was going on in Europe early on. Do you really think Obama doesn’t know the history of WW2? It’s too bad you have to tear others down in a feeble attempt to build yourself up.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:17 am
No he was correct. If you have any understanding of history beyond the comic book level you’d know that the holocaust was not even understood or known of by the Western Allies at the time Hitler declared war on the US (which was waht bought the US into the European conflict). There was some knowledge of what had been happening in eastern Europe but even that was very limited. The Wansee Conference, which defined the final solution, happened two months after Pearl Harbor. At no time was the holocaust or the extermination of the Jews a driving force in bringing the US into WW2..and indeed, when it became more widely known in 1943-44 what Hitler was doing, the Allies made little real effort to stop the killings because of the impracticality of doing so.
The egg here, is on your face, not Obama’s.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:19 am
James rocks! And he leaves his comment at the same exact time as mine. Freaky.
October 8th, 2008 at 4:03 am
I have never quite understood the American –and particularly the conservative — narrative of the second world war.The U.S. right condemns Chamberlain while conveniently forgetting that this country continued to appease Hitler for 3 years after the U.K. and western Europe were in full-blown conflict with Nazi Germany.
And now, apparently, some on the right believe that America intervened to stop the Holocaust, which was well under way (as others have pointed out) while the U.S. sat on the sidelines twiddling its thumb and coddling Nazi sympathizerObama may be right that most Americans would have supported intervention had they known the full facts. But that’s not how it happened.
October 8th, 2008 at 5:32 am
Who wouldn’t do it? FDR wouldn’t and didn’t until he was forced to.
October 8th, 2008 at 6:44 am
So, Blutarski, are you defending Chamberlain? Are we wrong condemning blind appeasement that led to the unnecessary deaths of thousands?
October 8th, 2008 at 8:36 am
“Who among us wouldn’t”? Well, people who think the military is for losers. Our “intervention” was by the military. By the way, doesn’t this mean that “war” is the answer to “how did we intervene in the Holocaust?”
October 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
You are the one who is illogical or ignorant of History.
WWII was NOT fought to rescue the Jews or other victims. The allies were more than willing to let that happen. If Hitler had not invaded Russia, Stalin would cetainly have nee his ally. If he had not threatened England or had sought peace with England, I doubt the US would have gotten invovled either.
Even then, by D-day, the 12 million people killed in camps and other Nazi atrocities were well on their way.
What Obama is trying to say, through the miasma of electoral distortions, is that American foreign policy should have a large component of underlying, human, ideology. If we had acted ideologically vs. the Holocaut, we might or might not have done better when WWII really caome. Acting morally does not guarantee practical outcomes. Thats said, if Stalin were not morally bereft, perhpas he would not have intially thrown in his lot with the Nazis and thus saved us all.
Have fun.
October 10th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Of course WWII wasn’t fought for the victims of the holocaust; we didn’t know there was a holocaust going on when we entered the war. Your eurocentric view of why we entered is odd; did you forget Pearl Harbor? Once the Japanese attacked us, we had no choice but to fight a two-front war. Besides, we were already deeply committed to the right, moral side of the war in Europe through our support of Great Britain. Saying “if Hitler had sought peace with England” shows you don’t understand Hitler. Have you forgotten Chamberlain?
What makes you think American foreign policy isn’t driven by morality now? Our State Department, for all its faults, stands up for the oppressed everywhere, putting pressure on North Korea, China, Burma, the Middle East, Sudan, despots everywhere, because we don’t think governments should oppress their people. When we resort to military force, we are the force for good, fighting the Husseins and Talibans of the world, people who repress and murder and plot evils, and we fight for a better world, just as our fighting in WWII led directly to the liberation of the concentration camps, whether that was the primary intent or not. Had we not fought on the side of morality, the holocaust would not have been stopped at 6 million.
Of course, we also exert our diplomatic and military power to protect global stability. That means we sometimes have to hold our nose and work with the likes of Stalin, Fahd and Musharaf, but the alternative is worse, much worse.